[Bahadir Tosun]

Hi

When I use Shift and Trace, I wish I could choose those frames Im working on and back lights works only for those frames ( No I can’t manage this with “Backlight Customize” I am not talking about inbetweening 🙂

 

 

 

I’ll move frame 5 and later frame 9 but other frames makes things harder.

I hope I could explain my problem.

Thanks

 

 

 

 

[Niels]

Hi Bahadir – your post turned up finally! 😉 (Sorry again)

I think I get what you are saying. Thanks for explaining!

Just for clarity – couldn’t you do what you want by marking the drawings you want as “key” and then let the backlight only show the keys? But maybe that’s too inefficient.

[Bahadir Tosun]

Daaaa!…. Hahahaha oh man How did I miss it. Off course!. Thanks mate!.

Now I animate something a little bit advanced and I wish I could to see color differences for frames when the backlight is ON.

 

Ps: Never mind about Discord. U can’t use it in Turkiye 🙁

 

thanks

 

 

[Niels]

You just turn on Hue-shift, then your frames are different in color (hue). But this only works on lines that is already a color (blue, red or green – for now – custom colors too, when we have implemented support for that). Anyway, the point is that hue shift doesn’t work on grey/black lines, like you have in your example. I like this feature, because then you can deliberately choose to have some layers in grey/black, if you want it not to have colored (hue shifted) frames, while the ones you want to see colored in your lighttable can actually have it – simultaneously.

I hope I explained this well enough to not get too confusing! 😀

[Bahadir Tosun]

Ok I can use/do like that. NP.

I don’t mean to start a long discussion against what you’re saying. I really try to understand how you’re thinking. If I do in-betweening with backlight on, I like to draw black and see other frames other than black. How would you do in AP? What I understand is that you can use the black/grey layer only to clean up other layers…Or?

Thanks

 

 

 

Thanks

[Niels]

Is it a problem to draw in blue? Because then you have your hue shifted colors.

I thought making it like this was a quite clever idea on my part 🙂

To clean up I would use black yes, but any color will of course work (technically speaking). To do it like you wish to do it, you would clean up in black, but have the previous and next drawings in that same layer be other colors when the backlight is on, right? That is not possible as it is now. I guess we could make it like that – but I’m not sure about this. 😉

I’m listening – if you care to go on with this discussion. It’s super interesting to me. But I of course respect your time too.

[Bahadir Tosun]

Sure I can draw in blue, not a problem at all. I think it became a habit after all the animation programs I’ve used.

Thanks

[Niels]

Alright! That is kind of a relief for me 😀 Do you find you are sacrificing something though? Or is it totally a matter of habit?

[cevik]

Hi,

I also like to draw with colors but being not able to see black lines with hue inbetweens would cause some problems in my case, especially in clean up.

First of all, this became a habit for me too because hue inbetweens is a standard on every pro traditional animation software and very useful to me. If there would be different better  technique of course I am open to break this habit. Here I’ll try to explain the issue.

Let’s assume we animate on color pencils and start to clean up with black. 1st we clean the keys on a different black – clean up layer. Then we start to clean the inbetweens. Regarding to our colored inbetweens there might be an advantage of viewing cleanup on an other layer only in black but the problem is generally clean up artists do not need animator inbetweens (in general). They are done for to have glimpse of the final look. Clean up artists draw their own inbetweens unless some special cases. And in grayscale onion skin frame case it seems useful to distinguish cleanup from other layers only but the previous and next drawings are more important to me. I think it would be great if Animation Paper at least offer an option to hue black layer for generic users. Further more if these colors would be customizable (if we can choose which color we want for backward and forward separately)  that would be super!

I’d be happy to explain in more details if above I couldn’t picture enough.

Best,

Ridvan

[Bahadir Tosun]

 

I really wish I could have that option!

It’s so exciting to try something new and different from what others think, but being forced into it feels a bit off, don’t you agree? It would be such a shame if folks decided to give up on the program after just one try because of this.

I totally get it if there’s a technical issue behind it, but outside of that, I’m not sure what other reason would make sense.

Thanks

 

[Niels]

Your input is super appreciated! Thank you both of you – and thanks Ridvan for your good explanation. I do understand.

There’s no explanation for why it is as it is, other than I thought it would be great like that :). The only technical “issue” is that actual HUE shift requires a color to shift from, therefore black can not physically be hue shifted. But that of course doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do some other feature that allows colored backlight frames.

As a thought experiment, let’s wipe the slate clean and think about what would be the absolutely best way of doing it.

It wouldn’t be a problem making the frames green in one direction and red in the other. But I’m also thinking of how to do this in such a way that the interface is super simple, fast and easy. Not that a green/red solution would necessarily be complex or anything. I’m just saying: What is the best solution? And how can we make it efficient and simple? Please tell me your dreams!

I’m all ears! 😉

[cevik]

Thank you Niels! I totally understand your corcerns on UI and your sensitivity that makes this software so awesome. I love it and wanted to mention it once more.Thank you.

Some people are color sensitive and not able to see all colors as we do. So in my humble opinion it would be best to give them option to choose as they desire. You already have a menu for backlight and sliders to arrange its opacity. May be in a same way users could click on these bars and choose from a pop up menu etc?  You know technical or UI side possbilities or limitations of this much better. Best,

 

[Niels]

Yes, I see. Could be a way forward. Thank you.

[cevik]

You’re welcome.